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 Post subject: Anti-benoni ?
PostPosted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 4:21 pm 
I don't know what to play against 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nf3 c5 4. Nc3
4. ... d5 leads into the Tarrasch
4. ... cxd4 Nxd4 Nc6 leads into the English (symmetrical)

By playing c5, I'm looking for a shark and imaginative Benoni, not a Tarrasch or an english.

Does someone know a more dynamic line against Nc3 + Nf3 ?
Thanks.


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play c5 as second move


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 30, 2008 5:12 pm 
First of all, 4. ... d5 leads into the Semi-Tarrasch, which differs from the Tarrasch in that Black need not accept an isolated QP; the main line is 5. cxd5 Nxd5 6. e4 Nxc3 7. bxc3 etc. Fischer played this at least once.

Expanding on turr's post, I might say you're forced to choose the lesser of two evils. If you play 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 c5 as he suggests, you may have to face such ultra-sharp lines as Taimanov's 3. d5 e6 4. Nc3 exd5 5. cxd5 d6 6. e4 g6 7. f4 Bg7 8. Bb5+ etc. I presume that the reason you play the 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nf3 c5 move order is to answer 3. Nc3 with ...Bb4 and a solid Nimzo-Indian, and to avoid the f4-based lines for White against the MBO. There's no free lunch. The price you pay for staying away from the f4 lines is that you might have to play the Black side of the Semi-Tarrasch or the English line you mentioned.


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Just play c5 on move 1


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 Post subject: The Old Benoni
PostPosted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 9:33 pm 
albertfrank wrote:
Just play c5 on move 1


Yes, that's legal. But you can't count on getting into the MBO that way. White can even play (after 1. d4 c5) 2. e4 and offer the Smith-Morra Gambit in the Sicilian Defense. More conventionally, he can play 2. d5 Nf6 3. Nc3 and answer either 3. ...e6 or 3. ...e5 with 4. e4. In any case, White gets a space advantage without conceding a Q-side majority to Black.


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HESyrett wrote:

Expanding on turr's post, I might say you're forced to choose the lesser of two evils. If you play 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 c5 as he suggests, you may have to face such ultra-sharp lines as Taimanov's 3. d5 e6 4. Nc3 exd5 5. cxd5 d6 6. e4 g6 7. f4 Bg7 8. Bb5+ etc. I presume that the reason you play the 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nf3 c5 move order is to answer 3. Nc3 with ...Bb4 and a solid Nimzo-Indian, and to avoid the f4-based lines for White against the MBO. There's no free lunch. The price you pay for staying away from the f4 lines is that you might have to play the Black side of the Semi-Tarrasch or the English line you mentioned.


He could postpone e6 and play first g6 and Bg7. Altough that could be labeled as Kings indian in has same motifs. He would be playing the kind of position he wants. The problem will be after 2... c5 3. Nf3 not playing d5 white does not want to move into a benoni type of game in that case black could not force it. (There is a nice gambit anyway, cxd5 Nxd5 e5 if Nb5 d5 if cxd5 Bc5 with compensation for the pawn, if white plays Nc2 after e5 the game will come to dulling manouvres)


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 Post subject: Re: Anti-benoni ?
PostPosted: Sun Jun 21, 2009 4:51 am 
ouaimoi wrote:
I don't know what to play against 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nf3 c5 4. Nc3
4. ... d5 leads into the Tarrasch
4. ... cxd4 Nxd4 Nc6 leads into the English (symmetrical)

By playing c5, I'm looking for a shark and imaginative Benoni, not a Tarrasch or an english.

Does someone know a more dynamic line against Nc3 + Nf3 ?
Thanks.


It might not fit your repertoire, but I came up with a very strong reply to the Modern Benoni that is completely novel. Go to my Downloads Page and see "A completely new idea against he Benoni."


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