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 Post subject: The most unsound gambit?
PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2003 12:50 am 
What do you think is the very - very most unsound - established - gambit in existence?

What did you expect? I go for the Jerome Gambit:
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Bc5 4.Bxf7

Have you ever played it, and were you able to surpirse your opponent with it?

If you're into researching it, click here for an interesting page.

If you want to see if computers like the Jerome Gambit with white while blitzing, download this PGN (please don't take it too seriously....)


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at least you didn't trade a Queen for a pawn! It could be worse. i have tried the 'Jeroen Gambit' once or twice. no luck,though.


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The "Jeroen Gambit" does remind me of a line in the "Traxler CG" except you are missing a move pair....:)


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new article on the traxler, the latest NIC yearbook. i should have my copy next week...


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LooseDigit wrote:
new article on the traxler, the latest NIC yearbook. i should have my copy next week...


Do you have a subscription? Do you consider NIC worth the money? I have a few of them from back in the '80-s, but I feel that the added value of the few theoretical articles doesn't outweigh the convenience of a database like say Mega by ChessBase.


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hi jeroen,
I think there's alot to like about NIC yearbooks. But I purchase them without a subsription from an American re-seller.( i do get a good price)

As to whether these tomes of opening theory are worth your while, I think that depends on what you bring to the table when you open them instead of what's inside the book.

It is more comparable to cbmagazine than the mega-annual from chessbase because those contain theory, not just annotated games. And I think the quality of the theory is a lttle better than cbm.

cbm is dryly humorous in comparison-- i read it too. example: cbm will include an article about a silly opening like the 'amar' opening (1Nh3). and videodisk mediiafiles of women players chatting. Also cbm only reviews chessbase products-- you know if the product is good enough when an excerpt is offerred else just a blurb about it. But Nic yearbook does very legitamate reviews of opening books by an expert.
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i recieved nic yearbook #68 today. and i turned my attention to maarten de zeeuw's traxler artilcle...
there's a photo of dan heisman on page 143 mentioning his cd...which i think was damned by faint praise.....
the article centers on the line 5.Sf7 Bf2 6Kf1
mr. de zeeuw believes that this line is busted and offers analysis.


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Jeroen,

Thanks for posting on my favorite Jerome Gambit! :D
It's great to see some new JG games, too - even if they are by computers.
Anybody else have some of their own JG games to share??
BTW, here is the earliest game with the line that I can find:

Jerome,A - Shinkman,W [C50] 1874
Dubuque Chess Journal, July 1874, p.484
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Bc5 4.Bxf7+ Kxf7 5.Nxe5+ Nxe5 6.Qh5+ Ke6 7.Qf5+ Kd6 8.f4 Qf6 9.fxe5+ Qxe5 10.Qf3 Nf6 11.d3 Ke7 12.Nc3 g5 13.Rf1 c6 14.g3 d5 15.Bd2 Bg4 16.Qg2 Rhf8 17.h3 Nxe4 18.Bf4
[If 18.Nxe4 Rxf1+ 19.Kxf1 (best) 19...Rf8+ 20.Ke1 (If 20.Bf4 gxf4 21.gxf4 Rxf4+ 22.K moves Rf2 wins) 20...Bf2+ 21.Kf1 Bxg3+ 22.Kg1 Qd4+ 23.Kh1 Bf3 wins Queen] 18...gxf4 19.gxf4 Rxf4 20.Nxe4 Rxf1+ 21.Kxf1 and Mr. Shinkman announced loss of the Queen or mate in six moves.
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 Post subject: Jerome Gambit
PostPosted: Sun Nov 09, 2003 1:22 am 
I play this in serious competitive games when I get the chance at club level. So far I've played it twice, and won twice. Here's a link to the most recent:
http://mysite.freeserve.com/halesowench ... bvrees.htm


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IMO the elephant gambit(1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 d5?!) seems to me as most unsound. :roll:


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i heard about elephans gambit (C40) on d5 shredder says that is not best move but this is only opening:)


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 Post subject: Re: The most unsound gambit?
PostPosted: Fri Feb 20, 2004 5:28 pm 
Jeroen wrote:
What do you think is the very - very most unsound - established - gambit in existence?

What did you expect? I go for the Jerome Gambit:
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Bc5 4.Bxf7

Have you ever played it, and were you able to surpirse your opponent with it?

If you're into researching it, click here for an interesting page.

If you want to see if computers like the Jerome Gambit with white while blitzing, download this PGN (please don't take it too seriously....)


Played against it many times funny enough, mainly at 1/0 where it can cause problems. Now at 1/0 I avoid it by playing 3....Nf6 as I know the majority of mainlines. At longer controls than 1/0 I've never played anyone that played it.

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 Post subject: good jerome
PostPosted: Fri Feb 27, 2004 3:33 am 
I played it twice 3 months ago, just to see what would happen. I won twice! :D


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 Post subject: Re: good jerome
PostPosted: Sun Feb 29, 2004 11:01 am 
lobravo wrote:
I played it twice 3 months ago, just to see what would happen. I won twice! :D

Why not share those games with the rest of us? :wink:

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1. e4-e5 2. Nf3-Nc6 3. Nxe5(?)-Nxe5 4. d4 can be quite fun to play to (despite being awfully unsound)


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