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 Post subject: The Lion System.
PostPosted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 5:53 pm 
Hello there,
I'm interested in the views of anyone who has played the Lion System.
I understand one can play it against most openings as black.
Am I right in thinking that the move order against e4 or d4 is the same.
1.----d6. 2----Nf6 3.----Nd7 4----e5---5----Be7.

Or is that too simpistic ?
This looks similar to a Pirc or Philidore.
Has anyone read the book The Lion:The Black Weapon.

Could one play it against 1.c4 or 1.f4 ?


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 Post subject: Re: The Lion System.
PostPosted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 9:17 pm 
Elric wrote:
Hello there,
I'm interested in the views of anyone who has played the Lion System.
I understand one can play it against most openings as black.
Am I right in thinking that the move order against e4 or d4 is the same.
1.----d6. 2----Nf6 3.----Nd7 4----e5---5----Be7.

Or is that too simpistic ?
This looks similar to a Pirc or Philidore.
Has anyone read the book The Lion:The Black Weapon.

Could one play it against 1.c4 or 1.f4 ?


A long time ago I had a few webpages dedicated to de Leeuw (the Lion) when only the Dutch version of the book was available. The opening system was developed by Leo (Lion) Jansen.

With the English translation I removed them, but I also reconsidered the opening, as it's very passive.

The nice thing about the Lion is also its weakness: play it independently from any response by white. Just the basic setup with the pawn on d6 and the knights on f6 and d7.

The characteristics of the opening are:
- keep pawns on c6 and e5 in combination with Qc7 (compare with the Hanham variation of the Philidor;
- forwarding the g and h pawn and knights on f6 and g6
- no early castling
- Knight from b8-d7-f8-g6-f4

The book however concentrates solely on 1.e4 response. When white plays c4 chances are black is overpowered on its queen side with a cramped and underdeveloped position on the kingside. OTOH given enough time black can counter on the white kingside.

All in all I have mixed feelings about the system, from own experience as well.


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 Post subject: Re: The Lion System.
PostPosted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 10:44 pm 
Jeroen wrote:
Elric wrote:
Hello there,
I'm interested in the views of anyone who has played the Lion System.
I understand one can play it against most openings as black.
Am I right in thinking that the move order against e4 or d4 is the same.
1.----d6. 2----Nf6 3.----Nd7 4----e5---5----Be7.

Or is that too simpistic ?
This looks similar to a Pirc or Philidore.
Has anyone read the book The Lion:The Black Weapon.

Could one play it against 1.c4 or 1.f4 ?


A long time ago I had a few webpages dedicated to de Leeuw (the Lion) when only the Dutch version of the book was available. The opening system was developed by Leo (Lion) Jansen.

With the English translation I removed them, but I also reconsidered the opening, as it's very passive.

The nice thing about the Lion is also its weakness: play it independently from any response by white. Just the basic setup with the pawn on d6 and the knights on f6 and d7.

The characteristics of the opening are:
- keep pawns on c6 and e5 in combination with Qc7 (compare with the Hanham variation of the Philidor;
- forwarding the g and h pawn and knights on f6 and g6
- no early castling
- Knight from b8-d7-f8-g6-f4

The book however concentrates solely on 1.e4 response. When white plays c4 chances are black is overpowered on its queen side with a cramped and underdeveloped position on the kingside. OTOH given enough time black can counter on the white kingside.

All in all I have mixed feelings about the system, from own experience as well.

Perhaps Jansen's book only covered 1 e4, because the Lion setup is usually identical to the Old Indian Defense (1...Nf6 2...d6 3...Nbd7 4...e5 5...Be7 6...O-O) against White first moves other than 1 e4. In the early 1970's, Richard Wincor wrote a delightful book called Baroque Chess Openings in which, among other things, he advocated playing the Old Indian Defense against virtually any White opening other than 1 e4. (Against 1 e4, he recommended the Scandinavian Defense [1...d5].)


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