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Author:  SonOfPearl [ Mon Oct 30, 2006 5:53 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Sharp option for Black against d4?

chuckychess wrote:
Super-GM Morozevich scored well with the underestimated Tchigorin Defense (1 d4 d5 2 c4 Nc6!). In many of the lines opposite-sided castling occurs. It is a great defense if you are in a "must-win" situation with Black!

I recommend Gary Lane's "Ideas Behind the Modern Chess Opening:Black". which shows you how to play the Tchigorin Defense against 1 d4 and the off-beat Scandinavian Defense (1 e4 d5 2 ed Qd5 3 Nc3 Qd6!?) against 1 e4.


Thanks for the tips. I hadn't thought of the Tchigorin Defense to the QGD - I'll look into that. I don't fancy the Scandinavian though. The semi-slav is my favourite at the moment.

Author:  kapilgain [ Tue Oct 31, 2006 7:16 am ]
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This is a remarkable Semi-Slav game, with loads of sacrifices! :

1.d4 d5 2.c4 e6 3.Nf3 Nf6 4.Nc3 c6 5.Bg5 dxc4 6.e4 b5 7.e5 h6 8.Bh4 g5 9.Nxg5 hxg5 10.Bxg5 Nbd7 11.exf6 Bb7 12.g3 c5 13.d5 Qb6 14.Bg2 b4 15.0-0 0-0-0 16.Na4 Qb5 17.a3 exd5 18.axb4 d4 19.Bxb7+ Kxb7 20.Nc3 dxc3 21.Qd5+ Kb6 22.Bf4 Rh5 23.Qxh5 cxb2 24.Rad1 cxb4 25.Bc7+ Kc6 26.Qxb5+ Kxb5 27.Bxd8 c3 28.Rxd7 c2 29.Rdd1 Bc5 30.Kg2 a5 31.Rfe1 a4 32.Bc7 a3 33.Be5 b3 34.Bc3 Bb4 35.Bxb2 axb2 36.Rh1 Bd2 37.Rxd2 b1Q 38.Rxb1 cxb1Q 39.Rd5+ Kc6 40.Rd4 Qe1 41.Rc4+ Kd5 42.Rc8 b2 43.Rd8+ Kc6 44.Rb8 b1Q 45.Rxb1 Qe4+ 0-1

Author:  AndyMack [ Thu Nov 02, 2006 6:03 pm ]
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Kapil --

Who played the game you posted above? When was it played? I've been out of the loop for a while here.

Author:  kapilgain [ Sat Nov 04, 2006 3:38 am ]
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AndyMack wrote:
Kapil --

Who played the game you posted above? When was it played? I've been out of the loop for a while here.


The game was there in my database without any headers (i.e names of the players, date, place etc not given.). I tried searching at www.chessgames.com too but in vain. Let me see if I can get any details of the game form other sources.

Author:  chessfips [ Wed Nov 15, 2006 1:32 am ]
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SonOfPearl wrote:
mrmip wrote:


I like the idea, but how sound is the Budapest gambit? I'm not really a gambiteer and from what little I know about the Budapest, Black sacrifices a pawn just for the possibility of a few tactical tricks. If White avoids immediate problems he has a clear advantage. Is that fair or am I being too harsh?

Ideally, I'd like something which is sharp, but doesn't involve sacrificing material. Easy to learn would be a bonus, but not essential! I'm prepared to do a little work if it will bring a few extra points.


The Budapest Gambit is a very good opening at club level. I used to play it when it was hardly known (around 40 years ago) and I scored very well with it. I played at board 1 of our club and my opponents were players rated around 2000 ELO (the rating was INGO in those days). What I didn't like was the variation

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e5 3. dxe5 Ng4 4. Bf4 Nc6 5. Nf3 Bb4+ 6. Nbd2

because it is very hard to play for a win here. I used to play 6. - f6?! (this is a real gambit, the main variations aren't).

In a recent book by Bogdan Lalic I discovered that you can play

4. Bf4 Bb4+ 5. Nbd2 d6!? which is very sharp and likely to be successful against an unprepared opponent. So I may take the Budapest up again.

If you want to play this opening buy the book by Lalic (Batsford) and study the games by G. Mohr as he is the Budapest specialist.

Author:  chessfips [ Thu Nov 16, 2006 12:58 am ]
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kapilgain wrote:
This is a remarkable Semi-Slav game, with loads of sacrifices! :

1.d4 d5 2.c4 e6 3.Nf3 Nf6 4.Nc3 c6 5.Bg5 dxc4 6.e4 b5 7.e5 h6 8.Bh4 g5 9.Nxg5 hxg5 10.Bxg5 Nbd7 11.exf6 Bb7 12.g3 c5 13.d5 Qb6 14.Bg2 b4 15.0-0 0-0-0 16.Na4 Qb5 17.a3 exd5 18.axb4 d4 19.Bxb7+ Kxb7 20.Nc3 dxc3 21.Qd5+ Kb6 22.Bf4 Rh5 23.Qxh5 cxb2 24.Rad1 cxb4 25.Bc7+ Kc6 26.Qxb5+ Kxb5 27.Bxd8 c3 28.Rxd7 c2 29.Rdd1 Bc5 30.Kg2 a5 31.Rfe1 a4 32.Bc7 a3 33.Be5 b3 34.Bc3 Bb4 35.Bxb2 axb2 36.Rh1 Bd2 37.Rxd2 b1Q 38.Rxb1 cxb1Q 39.Rd5+ Kc6 40.Rd4 Qe1 41.Rc4+ Kd5 42.Rc8 b2 43.Rd8+ Kc6 44.Rb8 b1Q 45.Rxb1 Qe4+ 0-1


I think this is a computer game. There are quite a few computer games in my database that follow this game until move 29, but then they differ.

By the way, 30. Kg2 is a very bad move. White should win with 30. g4! (advancing the pawn to g6).

But who would like to play a game like this anyway unless you are a Shirov? :?: :?:

Author:  kapilgain [ Thu Nov 16, 2006 12:47 pm ]
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chessfips wrote:
kapilgain wrote:
This is a remarkable Semi-Slav game, with loads of sacrifices! :

1.d4 d5 2.c4 e6 3.Nf3 Nf6 4.Nc3 c6 5.Bg5 dxc4 6.e4 b5 7.e5 h6 8.Bh4 g5 9.Nxg5 hxg5 10.Bxg5 Nbd7 11.exf6 Bb7 12.g3 c5 13.d5 Qb6 14.Bg2 b4 15.0-0 0-0-0 16.Na4 Qb5 17.a3 exd5 18.axb4 d4 19.Bxb7+ Kxb7 20.Nc3 dxc3 21.Qd5+ Kb6 22.Bf4 Rh5 23.Qxh5 cxb2 24.Rad1 cxb4 25.Bc7+ Kc6 26.Qxb5+ Kxb5 27.Bxd8 c3 28.Rxd7 c2 29.Rdd1 Bc5 30.Kg2 a5 31.Rfe1 a4 32.Bc7 a3 33.Be5 b3 34.Bc3 Bb4 35.Bxb2 axb2 36.Rh1 Bd2 37.Rxd2 b1Q 38.Rxb1 cxb1Q 39.Rd5+ Kc6 40.Rd4 Qe1 41.Rc4+ Kd5 42.Rc8 b2 43.Rd8+ Kc6 44.Rb8 b1Q 45.Rxb1 Qe4+ 0-1


I think this is a computer game. There are quite a few computer games in my database that follow this game until move 29, but then they differ.

By the way, 30. Kg2 is a very bad move. White should win with 30. g4! (advancing the pawn to g6).

But who would like to play a game like this anyway unless you are a Shirov? :?: :?:


Maybe... but I am still not very sure if it is a computer v/s computer game. The moves seem to be very human-like, if you ask me, but then the game is without any headers. I havent yet traced out the source of the game.

Author:  slybackstabber [ Fri Jan 19, 2007 3:08 pm ]
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SonOfPearl wrote:
Are there any good books on the Slav/Semi-Slav?


The books by Matthew Sadler, titled "The Slav" and "The Semi-Slav," both published by Everyman, are ideally suited for class A and B players looking for an introduction. The book by Peter Wells, titled "The Complete Semi-Slav," is a 300-page monograph on both the Botvinnik and Meran variations (+ other sidelines), which, though dated, is still a gold mine. But read the Sadler books first. And for state-of-the-art, two books by Pedersen, both published by Gambit, titled "The Botvinnik Semi-Slav" and "The Meran System."

I play the Botvinnik Semi-Slav as white, and there are hair-raising and unfathomable complications, with sacrifices galore. But there's a lot of theory (sort of like the Sicilian Sveshnikov), and deviation can often mean quick death for either side. Main lines extend to move 17 or even further. Great fun.

Author:  Laramonet [ Wed Apr 18, 2007 2:31 pm ]
Post subject:  Sharp option versus 1.d4

Hi Son of Pearl / All,
As you already play the Caro Kann, the Slav or Semi Slav seems logical. For the Slav, what about the new DVD by Andrew Martin on the a6 Slav ? I've not seen it yet but his other DVD works are good e.g. ABC of the Caro Kann. If you want a complete repertoire based on the Semi Slav, the best option I know would be Chess Advantage in Black and White by Larry Kaufmann.
For universal appeal, while restricting the amount of learning, what about the Dutch ? The Starting Out book by McDonald is excellent. It has convinced me and I never thought I'd touch the opening with a barge pole ! I hope that translates for none UK readers.

Author:  SonOfPearl [ Wed Apr 18, 2007 5:22 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Sharp option versus 1.d4

Laramonet wrote:
Hi Son of Pearl / All,
As you already play the Caro Kann, the Slav or Semi Slav seems logical. For the Slav, what about the new DVD by Andrew Martin on the a6 Slav ? I've not seen it yet but his other DVD works are good e.g. ABC of the Caro Kann. If you want a complete repertoire based on the Semi Slav, the best option I know would be Chess Advantage in Black and White by Larry Kaufmann.
For universal appeal, while restricting the amount of learning, what about the Dutch ? The Starting Out book by McDonald is excellent. It has convinced me and I never thought I'd touch the opening with a barge pole ! I hope that translates for none UK readers.


Thanks. :) I'm still trying different things out, so thanks for the tips! I'm a little doubtful of the Dutch as a reliable opening. Then again, they say all openings are playable below master level, so why not try it I suppose?! 8)

Author:  Fromper [ Tue Jun 12, 2007 1:59 am ]
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If you've never checked out the Tango (also known as the Black Knights Tango or Two Knights Tango), you might want to look at it. The defining moves are:

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 Nc6.

At first glance, most people assume that this can't possibly be sound, but there are a few GM's who play it regularly, and they don't seem to think that it's been refuted yet. "Yet" might be the operative word there, but as mentioned above, ANY opening is playable below the master level. The keys here are that it's an aggressive opening where black controls the opening immediately, most opponents won't know how to handle it, and there's very little real theory to memorize.

If you want some more information on it, IM Richard Palliser wrote a book about it. Instead of reading the book, you can get a basic introduction to the opening by just reading IM Jeremy Silman's review of that book:

http://www.jeremysilman.com/book_reviews_js/js_tango.html

Follow that up with GM Joel Benjamin's four part series on the Tango, also on Silman's web page:

http://www.jeremysilman.com/chess_opng_shrtcts/archive.html

Those will give you plenty of info to give this opening a try, and you can decide for yourself if it's worth buying the book to learn more.

As for the Dutch, why don't you consider it reliable? It gets enough play at the GM level that I've never thought to question it.

--Fromper

Author:  SonOfPearl [ Tue Jun 12, 2007 6:33 am ]
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Thanks Fromper, I'll add the Tango to my list of possible defences. :)

Author:  puuntuuppaaja [ Tue Jul 10, 2007 6:21 pm ]
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But there is "little" drawback to Budabest. If White plays 2.Nf3, how can you play Budabest gambit? Therefore you need also some other opening.

Author:  DarthStapler [ Sun Nov 25, 2007 1:09 am ]
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What you want is the Schara gambit.

1. d4 d5 2. c4 e6 3. Nc3 c5 4. exd5?? cxd4!!

Author:  SonOfPearl [ Sun Nov 25, 2007 11:12 am ]
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DarthStapler wrote:
What you want is the Schara gambit.

1. d4 d5 2. c4 e6 3. Nc3 c5 4. exd5?? cxd4!!


I've never really understood this gambit. The Tarrasch is sharp enough for me!

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