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 Post subject: Queens Gambit-beginners question
PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 12:47 pm 
Hi - I've been playing chess for years (on and off), but have decided to look at the tactical side of it instead of watching big-brother :wink:

After the following moves of the Queens Gambit:
White / Black
1. P-Q4 / P-Q4
2. P-QB4 / P-K3
3. Kt-QB3 / Kt-KB3
4. B-Kt5

....Black would normally move its Kings BIshop to E7, but why??? - surely moving the Rooks Pawn to H6 would attack the White Bishop on G5, forcing a retreat??? This is probably a stupid question, but I would appreciate any comments.

Thanks :D


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 Post subject: Re: Queens Gambit-beginners question
PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 3:04 pm 
andysthedaddy wrote:
Hi - I've been playing chess for years (on and off), but have decided to look at the tactical side of it instead of watching big-brother :wink:

After the following moves of the Queens Gambit:
White / Black
1. P-Q4 / P-Q4
2. P-QB4 / P-K3
3. Kt-QB3 / Kt-KB3
4. B-Kt5

....Black would normally move its Kings BIshop to E7, but why??? - surely moving the Rooks Pawn to H6 would attack the White Bishop on G5, forcing a retreat??? This is probably a stupid question, but I would appreciate any comments.

Thanks :D


Well, I don't usually speak dinosaur, but I'll humor you here. If

4. ... P-KR3
5. BxKt

Then 5. ... PxB is forced, and white has a huge advantage based on the weaknesses in black's kingside pawn formation. If instead black plays 5. ... QxB? to avoid the doubled pawns, then white wins the Queen's pawn with
6. PxP PxP
7. KtxP
and white is winning. Instead of 4. ... P-KR3, black should play 4. ... B-K2, breaking the pin and preparing your idea of ...P-KR3 (since the bishop could now capture instead of the queen and the d5 pawn is maintained).

Hope that helped.


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 Post subject: Re: Queens Gambit-beginners question
PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 9:07 pm 
andysthedaddy wrote:
Hi - I've been playing chess for years (on and off), but have decided to look at the tactical side of it instead of watching big-brother :wink:

After the following moves of the Queens Gambit:
White / Black
1. P-Q4 / P-Q4
2. P-QB4 / P-K3
3. Kt-QB3 / Kt-KB3
4. B-Kt5

....Black would normally move its Kings BIshop to E7, but why??? - surely moving the Rooks Pawn to H6 would attack the White Bishop on G5, forcing a retreat??? This is probably a stupid question, but I would appreciate any comments.

Thanks :D


Nice to see descriptive notation being used for a change. It really takes me back to my youth... :)


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 Post subject: Re: Queens Gambit-beginners question
PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 9:09 pm 
SonOfPearl wrote:
Nice to see descriptive notation being used for a change. It really takes me back to my youth... :)

Descriptive? I think you mean Dinosaur.

Of course, algebraic isn't much better; it always reminds me of Battleship.


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I think noting first space to second space coordinates is the best way to go... like 1. d2-d4, d7-d5. and so on... but... I don't know... once I found out the "correct" way to notate, I've been fine with it.


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OK, so humour me :lol: ....what is the 'correct' way of notating chess moves?


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They are all "correct." There isn't only one right way. I personally use algebraic, but that is because I have trained myself to think that way - when I am looking at a chess position, my brain actually thinks things like:

"OK, if Ne2, then Bd6 Bf4 Bxf4 Nxf4 and I think I am better there..."


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 Post subject: Re: Queens Gambit-beginners question
PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2005 2:23 pm 
AndyMack wrote:
andysthedaddy wrote:
Hi - I've been playing chess for years (on and off), but have decided to look at the tactical side of it instead of watching big-brother :wink:

After the following moves of the Queens Gambit:
White / Black
1. P-Q4 / P-Q4
2. P-QB4 / P-K3
3. Kt-QB3 / Kt-KB3
4. B-Kt5

....Black would normally move its Kings BIshop to E7, but why??? - surely moving the Rooks Pawn to H6 would attack the White Bishop on G5, forcing a retreat??? This is probably a stupid question, but I would appreciate any comments.

Thanks :D


Well, I don't usually speak dinosaur, but I'll humor you here. If

4. ... P-KR3
5. BxKt

Then 5. ... PxB is forced, and white has a huge advantage based on the weaknesses in black's kingside pawn formation. If instead black plays 5. ... QxB? to avoid the doubled pawns, then white wins the Queen's pawn with
6. PxP PxP
7. KtxP
and white is winning. Instead of 4. ... P-KR3, black should play 4. ... B-K2, breaking the pin and preparing your idea of ...P-KR3 (since the bishop could now capture instead of the queen and the d5 pawn is maintained).

Hope that helped.


[ECO "D50"]
[Opening "QGD"]
[Variation "4.Bg5"]

That reminds me of a game where Black was lucky enough to score the win:

1. d4 d5 2. c4 e6 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. Bg5 h6 5. Bxf6 gxf6 6. Nf3 c6 7. e3 f5 8. cxd5 exd5 9. Bd3 Rg8 10. O-O Bd6 11. g3 f4 12. exf4 Bxf4 13. Re1+ Be6 14. a3 Nd7 15. b4 Qf6 16. Na4 O-O-O 17. b5 cxb5 18. Bxb5 Bf5 19. Qb3 Be4 20. Rf1 Rg7 21. Nc5 Nxc5 22. dxc5 Rdg8 23. Rae1 h5 24. c6 h4 25. cxb7+ Kb8 26. Kh1 Bxg3 27. fxg3 hxg3 28. Rxe4 g2+ 29. Kg1 gxf1=Q+ 30. Kxf1 Rg1+ 31. Kf2 R8g2+ 32. Ke3 Re1+ 33. Kd3 dxe4+ 34. Kc4 exf3 0-1


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